Ancient World in London Bloggers Challenge 3: Should the British Museum Return the Rosetta Stone to Egypt?
We set the task of nominating London’s most influential invaders and talking-up the Big Smoke’s most important ancient sites in the first two rounds of our Ancient World in London Bloggers Challenge, and got some fantastic responses from the blogosphere. In round three we’re posing a new question, to again be answered in blog form in competition for prizes both real and virtual. It’s sure to prove contentious:
Should the British Museum return the Rosetta Stone to Egypt?
This Ptolemaic era Egyptian stele – created in 196 BC and discovered by the French in 1799 at Rosetta in Egypt – was instrumental in the deciphering of hieroglyphic writing in 1822 by the British scientist Thomas Young and the French scholar Jean-François Champollion. Since 1802 it’s been on display at the British Museum in London, which was granted possession of the artefact after it was captured by the British Army in 1801.
There have long been calls for the Rosetta Stone to be repatriated. They’ve become all the more vociferous in recent months, with Dr Zahi Hawass – Secretary General of the Egyptian Supreme Council of Antiquities – leading the campaign for the object’s return to its country of origin. “It’s a unique artefact,” he told the BBC last December. “Its home should not be the British Museum in London, its home should be Cairo, in Egypt.”
Not everyone agrees with Hawass, naturally, the British Museum in particular. That’s not just because they want to hold onto one of their most prized and popular pieces, but also because its repatriation might set a dangerous precedent that could see other key disputed artefacts in the British Museum collection – such as the Elgin Marbles, the Benin Bronzes and the Lewis Chessmen – carried out the door back to where they came from too. The British Museum has its supporters in the UK – a reader’s poll in The Guardian newspaper last year saw a majority of people vote in favour of the Rosetta Stone staying in London.
Just by entering, you will win 50 points, setting you well on your way to winning the Ancient World in London grand prize of a holiday in Turkey. The best entry this round – picked by a panel of judges here at Heritage Key – will also receive five books of their choice from Thames & Hudson’s current catalogue.
Play By the Rules
This contest is open to everyone. All you need is an interest in history and somewhere online to post your entry. By entering this competition you agree to comply with the Ancient World in London Competition Rules, as well as the following rules, which are specific to this contest:
• Entries can consist of text, images, video or mixed media.
• All entries must be the contestant’s own work, and any supporting material (e.g. photos or music) must be used with the permission of the copyright owner.
• All entries should contain a link back to this page.
To submit your entry, simply copy and paste the URL of your blogpost, podcast or page as a comment below. The deadline for submission is midnight, GMT on 25th March 2010. The winner will be announced during the following week. The judges’ decision is, of course, final.
Part of the Ancient World in London Web Event
The Ancient World in London is Heritage Key’s groundbreaking three-month-long interactive online and offline event, introducing HD video, virtual worlds, competitions and live events. It is sponsored exclusively by Addison Lee, London’s largest minicab service. Round one’s theme was London’s most influential invaders, round two’s theme was the capital’s most important ancient site. This time it’s the debate over the future of the Rosetta Stone. Log onto Heritage Key in two weeks’ time to check out challenge four!
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The Rosetta Stone has been in London for over 200 years. The British Museum, while not the Stone's native country, has become its home. And, if I had to guess, the people of London probably take some pride in this possession and feel a certain special connection with the artifact (though I don't diminish the fact that Egyptians must also feel a certain connection). But if Hawass really wants everything repatriated, then the Stone should go back to Rosetta, not to Cairo.
Should the British Museum Return the Rosetta Stone to Egypt?
http://orienteantigo.blogspot.com/2010/03/should-british-museum-return-r...
At the time the rosetta stone was found, egypt was not interested in any of its ancient artifacts they where sold on the open market for generations, if the stone had not been saved it is possible it could have been lost forever, this goes for many other items found over many years,egypt is proud of its heritage and so it should be, but thousands of items are stuck in vaults never to be seen by the public, this may not be the case for the rosetta stone, but i believe it and many other items around the globe should stay where they are until egypt has a museum of such grandure they can show all the artifacts to the public in a way befitting them all. (even though i wouldnt be able to afford to see them)
Why wouldn't you be able to see them?
Thanks very much for your entry Paula. I especially like the line: "I don't think the Rosetta Stone is feeling homesick as it has been well taken care of" - a good point well made!
You also make an interesting point in saying: "I think it would be a good idea for Zahi and his teams to start by cleaning and displaying the immense legacy they have stored, and maybe then think about claiming already famous artefacts, displayed in other countries' museums." Isn't that part of the plan with the Grand Egyptian Museum - building a massive facility in which to display all of the massive collection in the current Egyptian Museum's basement?
I get the feeling Dr Hawass wants the Rosetta Stone to be a centrepiece in the new GEM collection - and I agree that a loan agreement would be the best way for him to see that happen. Surely, Richard, the GEM will be a facility of "grandure," as you put it, befitting the Rosetta Stone?
Oh, and Krysta - any chance of seeing you expand on your argument there, in blog form? No prizes for comments I'm afraid!
Heritage Key and the media generally do seem to be putting a disproportionate emphasis on this debate (yes it is something that arises strong feelings but so many more worthwhile things in Egyptology could be discussed). The history of Ancient Egypt is a fascinating one and the rich set of artefacts in major US and European museums inspire millions to learn more about this culture. The Rosetta Stone is iconic and unique , but we should not forget it's position is also intertwined with European scholarship in the decipherment of Hieroglyphs. This is one of the most popular pieces in the British Museum, it is appreciated daily by thousands from across the world, as an attraction it is hard for Egypt to have a better piece of marketing to inspire people to visit. We should all aspire for Egypt to have an equal position in Egyptology with European and US nations , based not on its position as the geographical host of sites and artefacts, but on its position as a country whose heritage has inspired home-grown scholarship to match the west. If this is to be achieved we must move beyond nationalistic requests for the repatriation of artefacts, to a mutual respect as equals. Egypt's recognition of the role of iconic artefacts overseas such as the Rosetta Stone would earn more respect than requests for so-called repatriation. Let the stone stay in the BM and hopefully inspire many tens of thousands more to learn about and visit Egypt.
John.
Nice insights, especially to the free advertising and promotion from the Rosetta Stone.
There's some really good discussion going on here. Krysta, Richard, and John B - are you going to post your arguments online and link to them here? You could win points towards the holiday, as well as books! The deadline is approaching...
Should the Rosetta Stone be Returned to Egypt: comment on blog
http://jdownsrosetta.wordpress.com/2010/03/24/returning-the-rosetta-ston...
About:
Editor, journalist and history writer, Jonathan Downs is author of ' Life in the Industrial Revolution 1770-1809' (Shire 2010), 'Discovery at Rosetta' (Constable 2008) – the first full account of the British acquisition of the Rosetta Stone in 1801 – and co-author of 'Sea-Soldier: The Letters and Journals of Maj T. M. Wybourn, RM, 1797-1813' (Parapress, 2000). He edits 'Classic Arms', a specialist collectors’ and military history journal, and has written a number of articles in periodicals including 'History Today'. He is currently staying in Cape Town where he is writing his next book, a companion volume to Discovery at Rosetta, about Tipu Sahib the ‘Tiger of Mysore’. He will be addressing the Egyptian Society of South Africa on 22 June, regarding the detailed history and current legal status of the Rosetta Stone, and discussing the chances of its return to Egypt.
Please, Malcolm, do know that the above picture does not necessarily represent my opinion, and that he forced me to submit this. Furthermore, pretty please, don't let him bully or curse you into choosing him as a winner or encourage him to continue this insanity. Imagine what would happen if all mummies would be as stubborn and go on strike!
PS. Does anybody have a crowbar on scale 1:20th that I could borrow?
Well but he is not an Egyptologist...should not be fare to attribute a prize to someone just because he gets 'visual' by promoting himself through a blog question that should address those who really can make some difference to the question posted...
Sorry Mac, I was writing about the previous guy, not about you...you will need a girlfriend soon, what about a silicone/glassfibre gal?
Ann, can you please control that mummy? Admittedly if I live to be several thousand years old, I'll probably be prone to the odd grouch, but make sure he understands that going on strike never solves anything. And he's making a mockery of a very serious debate here - one that's hotting-up with the Bloggers Challenge round 3 deadline imminent.
Jonathan - thanks for your entry. A "tripartite international ownership agreement, on a rotational display basis" is just the sort of out-of-the-box thinking this debate needs. I understand Zahi Hawass is even considering your suggestion? The British Museum have already succeeded in pouring cold water on one artefact repatriation debate by loaning the Lewis Chessmen to Scottish museums. The Rosetta Stone is, of course, a different proposition altogether - and would require a much more formal and logistically-complex solution. But if the Terracotta Warriors can travel, then surely so can it?
Paula - I hear what you're saying about Jonathan "promoting himself" with his post there, but let's give him the benefit of the doubt and assume that, by posting his biog, he's just trying to give us an idea of where he's coming from? More importanly, what do you make of his suggestion? You say yourself that "loaning is an alternative," and "an idea museums should discuss with Egyptian officals." A whopping great insurance-premium aside, if the logistics could be worked out - with UNESCO as a mediator - would a "tripartite international ownership agreement" be something you would support?
I believe I have discussed my ideas and opinions in the blog entry, it is an opinion of someone who has decided to change her life and dedicate herself to Egyptology research some years ago: me. I had different views when I was merely 'a tourist'. I simply am not going to say anything more about another person's entry, as I have not changed my stauts by not accepting auto-promotions, and I am considering not participating anymore in any discussion topic here if this person wins the prize. After all, this is a competition and more opinions are wanted, I simply do not accept the 'introduction' this person makes of himself. And why should his ideas be that special? I know of other Egyptologists' point of view on this, they simply are not here to present them. And I am not an ambassador to other people's views. Only vouch for mine. I refuse to accept the way this person entered this discussion and again, if he wins the prize that's the last you will hear form me.
Thanks for your entry Paula - we always love to read your thoughts on issues like this. Maybe a lot of these hidden artefacts in Cairo will see the light of the new GEM museum when it opens?
I hope that Heritage Key is a place for friendly discussion for all people interested in the ancient world. Anybody with something relevant to say is welcome to post their comments here and take part in challenges like this, and we're lucky to have a really diverse range of readers and contributors with different areas, and types, of expertise.We'd love to hear from the Egyptologists that you mention, and hope that they will add their blogposts to the debate.
It's interesting to know a little about our contributors, and where possible we do this through the author bio and user bio sections. Jonathan doesn't have his set up yet. I can see how you would feel that the comments box isn't the appropriate place for posting that bio info, but suspect that this is nothing more than an unintentional web faux pas.
Looking forward to more positive debate on this issue before tonight's deadline!
You are absolutely right! Speaking of objects stashed in the Cairo Egyptian's musem basement, there is a book that was just published, by my dear friend and Egyptologist for more years than my own age, Terence DuQuesne, where he worked for 15 years upon a group of more or less 600 stelae:
http://orienteantigo.blogspot.com/2010/03/salakhana-trove.html
The Rosetta Stone: should it return to Egypt?
http://lootingmatters.blogspot.com/2010/03/rosetta-stone-should-it-retur...
Very well said, David. "The real concern is the large-scale looting that feeds the international market in antiquities." I believe we all agree that, maybe a loan, could be a solution...
In at the last minute, yet again: http://www.thehistoryblog.com/archives/5257
Check out my take at http://www.3dhistoryblog.com
Thanks for the email Malcolm, I enjoyed taking part in this debate.
http://mistyshistorychat.blogspot.com/
SDONLIN's entry can be found here: http://www.3dhistoryblog.com/?p=78 (A minor suggestion, if allowed, do activate 'permalinks' on your WP blog, it's hidden in the settings somewhere! '/%postname%/' is so much easier for people to remember what they are reading / handling urls than a number? It kinda also helps with being found by Google a lot. ;))
The entry by Charlotte Gardner can be found at http://mistyshistorychat.blogspot.com/2010/03/true-owners-of-rosetta-stone.html. (you don't know how many times I've considered bying that tshirt! ;))
A flurry of entries there right at the bell... great stuff! Thanks very much to everyone who has taken part - it's proven a really lively and interesting debate. We'll announce the winner later today.
The Ancient World in London Bloggers Challenge 3 winner has been announced - congratulations Jonathan! Thanks again to everyone who took part, it was a really close run thing. Looking forward to reading some of your entries to Bloggers Challenge 4, which is open now!
There is no reason for these stolen artifacts to remain where they are, except for the fact that we live in an European-centrist world.
I always say that if China stole the Nazi wall in Berlin, the United Nations would have imposed UNDERSTANDABLE CLEAR laws for stolen heritage, and the "whole world" would not settle down in peace until the wall goes back to Germany.
One of the comments up here said that "Egyptians should feel a certain amount of connection to the stone"! I don't see any connection between the Rosetta Stone and London, except for the fact that Britain committed great crimes in this country that it never paid for back.
Thank oppression, corruption and European-centrism for all these stolen artifacts and heritage.
http://egyptgift.blogspot.com
Hello Paula, I am pleased by reading your interesting post. I am sure you will keep sharing such interesting stories. I am a travel writer. I have also written post on British Museum London. It is also interesting.
I don't care whether it should be in Egypt or in British Museum. Let the stone be anywhere, just make it open for visitors. British Museum are doing their best to preserve this heritage. Relocation of Rosetta stone may create serious issuses, so its better to be in Museum.You can input your suggestions at www.traveleurope360.com
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